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Hi
Theresa, I'm pasting a thread here (don't know how else to do this --
thought you and other BOO folks might find it interesting...
Michael Hagmeier
Wednesday at 10:18 via Mobile ·
For the record, this 20-year member of KBOO thinks it would be a bad
idea to displace local programming with the Thom Hartmann show.
Apart from my issues with his show (I think he's sloppy), his show is a
national show that's available on the internet, and it likely would
displace local programming that would have a tough time making it as
internet shows.
On top of that, KBOO is a noncommercial
station, and Thom Hartmann's show would have to have the commercials
edited out. As a call-in show, this would diminish its value, as it
couldn't air live.
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Betsy Toll I'm totally with you on this. 15 hours a week of ... Thom
Hartmann? That is NOT the KBOO I've know for 25 years. Not liking this
new direction at. all.
Wednesday at 23:45 · Like · 1
Michael Hagmeier I know that Thom Hartmann has quite a few fans in
Portland, and I tried to like his show, but it just doesn't seem very
good, in my opinion.
He fumbles around quite a bit, he
frequently says "I don't know" about things that an assistant could look
up in a few seconds, and he seems to have guests with different views
just so he can make them look foolish, rather than actually engaging
with them.
Yesterday at 09:10 via mobile · Unlike · 1
Betsy
Toll My problem isn't with Thom Hartmann, but with cutting out all the
very local programming that gives a voice and provides a view that no
big public or commercial stations ever will. It marginalizes the small
and local, the poor and less-privileged, and ...See More
Yesterday at 09:55 · Like · 1
Michael Hagmeier Betsy, my main concern is a national show displacing
local programming, and the heavy-handed way this push is happening--it
appears to be coming from people who have had little-to-no involvement
with the station, and now they're pushing for a drastic c...See More
Yesterday at 10:09 via mobile · Like
Betsy Toll Yep, it's all yucky. And I'd bet all 97 cents in my wallet
that this push isn't coming from the long-time rank and filers at the
station but rather the opposite. I just cut and pasted this thread and
posted it over to Andrew Geller, who works at the BOO., as I'm sure some
of the folks there would be interested, even though this is mostly a
2-way conversation.
Yesterday at 10:14 · Like · 1
Michael
Hagmeier Betsy, from what I've seen so far, it looks like Carla Axtman
and Kari Chisholm at Blue Oregon are the main forces behind this.
I've asked, on a couple of different related threads over there, what
they're involvement with KBOO has been. So far, there is no response.
I'd encourage you to ask the same question--maybe hearing the question
from more than one person will encourage them to respond.
Yesterday at 10:22 via mobile · Like
Betsy Toll I haven't been on Blue Oregon in ages. Just logged on,
didn't see where to post comments, so used the "contact us" form to make
my points. Thanks, Michael.
23 hours ago · Like · 1
Michael Hagmeier Betsy, I sent a message using the "contact us" form as well. So far, no response.
4 hours ago via mobile · Like
Michael Hagmeier Betsy, I received a boilerplate response from Kari
that didn't answer my questions, except to say that he and Carla are
behind the petition. I replied, and asked him to answer my questions.
I'll keep you posted.
27 minutes ago via mobile · Like
The only thing that doesn't make sense is if Kari gave Mike
"a boilerplate response from Kari
that didn't answer my questions, except to say that he and Carla are
behind the petition.", then why does Mikey keep asking Kari questions? There seem to be an unlimited supply of boilerplates:
https://www.facebook.com/michael.hagmeier/posts/10151701878678972
Since
neither Carla nor Kari responded to any of my questions here, I sent a
message to Kari, asking him to confirm that he and Carla are behind the
petition (he did) and to answer some of my other questions, such as his
and Carla's involvement with KBOO, whether they'd considered the
potential disruption to Kboo's schedule, and whether he directs any of
the .com?dozens" of emails he receives each week about progressive talk
radio to KBOO's progressive talk radio.
He didn't answer those questions, instead giving me a boilerplate response.
I'm hoping that Carla and Kari will address these concerns about what
appears to be a couple of outsiders trying to push their agenda on KBOO.
Kari weighs in:
Kari Chisholm · Follow · Top Commenter · President at Mandate Media · 176 subscribers
Larisa,
we lost KPOJ eight months ago. We didn't make this request to KBOO
before now because we didn't have any reason to think KBOO was
interested. This petition came up when we learned that Thom Hartmann
offered his show for free to KBOO, and we learned that KBOO was
considering the offer.
This didn't come out of the blue. We're chiming in on a conversation that is already happening.
As a community radio station, I'm confident that KBOO wants to hear
from the entire community they serve, notwithstanding the handful of
commenters who think no one has the right to speak up respectfully.
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53 minutes ago
Hey! We've been perfectly respectful! No one's published Kari's mugshots or traffic violations, have they? Well? WELL?
How much more respectful can we get than NOT doing weird creepy shit no normal people would do in the first place?
Credit where credit is due!
You're welcome.
"Betsy Toll Yep, it's all yucky. And I'd bet all 97 cents in my wallet that this push isn't coming from the long-time rank and filers at the station but rather the opposite. I just cut and pasted this thread and posted it over to Andrew Geller, who works at the BOO., as I'm sure some of the folks there would be interested, even though this is mostly a 2-way conversation. "
ReplyDeleteI thought Andrew Geller was gone?
i think you're confusing him with arthur davis
DeleteExactly Betsy. If someone hasn't been around a long-time they are not a member of the community.
ReplyDeleteAnd no long-time members of the community support any change, well except for these long-timers, and probably a lot more.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/05/423267.shtml
Michael Wells: Hi. My name is Michael Wells. I've been a KBOO member since 1968 when the station started. I was a volunteer from the early 70s until the early 90s. I was station manager from 78 until I think 92. I've been on the board a couple of times. I haven't been very involved. I have a couple of observations. One is when I was station manager, we reorganized the staff because the way the staff had been set up related to our funding that didn't work and it was going to collapse. So we had to reorganize the staff. While I was station manager that I can think of we had to fire two people, one of them my best friend on the staff at the time who is here now, for various reasons. And so that happened at that time, the station manager was allowed to fire people. I have no idea what the personnel policy is now. So that's sort of background. My observation about KBOO for the last few years, about 10 years ago, I volunteered to write a grant for KBOO. There was a rotating cast of people. Different people would show up at every meeting. We could not get anything done. We finally abandoned it. About three or four years ago I got involved in another project which dragged on and on and on for whatever reasons. The first time I met Lynn we talked about the project and we got it done in about three months. I think that Lynn whenever her faults, whatever the board's doing, is moving us forward. KBOO has been from my point of view very stuck. I'm glad to see us moving.
Sarah Carr: I'm Sarah Carr, I was the station's first news director. And I was on the board of directors around 2000, the couple years either way. One of the smartest things I've ever heard anybody say about community radio in all the years I've been in it was that there are two kinds of community radio stations. There's a community service kind of radio station that looks outwards, that's looking towards its community and interacting with its community to figure out what it's doing, following a mission. And it's constantly reevaluating what it's doing in terms of what's going on out in the community. Then there's the radio club. The radio club is a kind of community radio station that looks in at the people who were there already and the people who are already close to the people who were there already. It's concerned with serving its programmers. It gives lip service to the community but basically it's a big radio club. And in what 30 years of community radio, I found that to be really true. Every station falls into one kind or another. Occasionally one moves from one kind to another. The other thing I wanted to say is I'm hearing a lot of sort of smugness about how KBOO has been doing, about things would be better if we just did them the way we've always been doing it. If things have been so great for KBOO, how come it's 45 years old and it has the size of an audience that smaller than that of right wing religious translators here in Portland? It's got the size of audience we had when I was at KMBI in Minneapolis. We viewed that as a crisis and that we needed to do something about it fast. Thank you
DeleteBarbara Bernstein: I'm Barbara Bernstein. I host locus-focus. I've been involved with KBOO since 1971 with a bit of a break in the 70s. Came back in 78. Been here ever since. And I do have a memory of a lot of KBOO history. My friend Kathleen Sadazzi and me, a number of years ago when I was trying to recruit her for the KBOO board that back in the late 60s, all these organizations started. All these great counter cultural organizations started. And by the time we were talking which is probably in the mid-90s, all the organizations became either a little more formalized or little more professional or a little bit more focused or they died, except for KBOO. Nobody knows how KBOO survived in the last 45 years.
Walt: It's a miracle.
Barbara Berstein: It's a miracle. However I think things have really changed. And I think that people aren't understanding that we really are at a crisis that we haven't been at probably ever because this is the first, they call it the great recession, I would call it the second great depression that we're in. None of us that are younger than... anybody younger than me and a lot older than me, you remember anything quite as severe as what we've been through. But KBOO has faced a whole lot of these challenges were I think we really should appreciate the leadership of Lynn Fitch to lead us through. Because it's going to take a lot of creative thinking and a lot of reshaping the way we define ourselves as community radio, the way we define ourselves as a community. And that it doesn't mean that we lesson our political stances, it doesn't mean that we soften our message. It just means that we are a lot more responsible for what were doing. And the first thing that I would urge is that we really listen to the facts. One thing that's really blown my mind all afternoon is that people don't seem understand the difference between firing and laying off. For those of you who don't understand the difference, Google it and maybe you might understand what Lynn is trying to do
Mikey is still lost in the Inner Party confusion at BlueOregon:
ReplyDeleteMichael Hagmeier · Follow · Top Commenter · Portland State University
Kari, you certainly have a right to speak up, but it's also appropriate to raise legitimate concerns.
Those concerns include the fact that adding 15 hours of programming per week requires the removal of 15 hours of programming, and it appears the Hartmann backers have given little to no consideration to that fact.
Also, when pressure is being put on the station to make such a major change, it's appropriate to ask how those applying the. pressure have supported the station in the past, and how they are currently supporting the station. The response has been the absurd, claiming that you're not pressuring KBOO
Look, if you had wanted people's vo
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Michael Hagmeier · Follow · Top Commenter · Portland State University
If you really had wanted to provide an opportunity for people to "speak their mind" to KBOO, you could have started a thread called "Should KBOO add the Thom Hartmann show?", and stating that you'd forward the responses to the KBOO board.
You didn't do that, you started a petition to put pressure on the KBOO board to add the show. That's your right, but you look ridiculous when you start whining when there's pushback.
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The fuck? Who's "whining" exactly? Kari or Inner Party Zombies who keep spamming when KBOO can just reject the petition. Move on! Geez...
And this clown was doing this at 6/6:30 in the morning? Get a life.
Andrew Geller is the Membership staff person at KBOO and he's on vacation. Arthur Davis is the previous past Station Manager and you can read his gracious parting blog post here http://kboo.fm/node/19467 .
ReplyDeleteHe was lynched by the staff for firing a staff member (that's never allowed) and was hounded out the door by a harrassment charge that was formally investigated by the board. Former Board President Judy eventually had to release a statement that he was cleared of all wrongdoing so far as the board was concerned.
Nothing changes at KBOO, that's the whole point.
Post gone now? Facebook gives a content unavailable error.
ReplyDeleteObviously you don't have that clearance, comrade. Report to your section leader for a remedial loyalty briefing.
DeleteEr, I meant:
DeleteUppenbarligen har du inte att spel, kamrat. Rapport till din sektion ledaren för en avhjälpande lojalitet information.
Ya know? Never mind this time. Consider this a warning.