From audio, approx 05:19 -21:20
Comrades feel free to make corrections/addition in comments, as half these people mutter and mumble and guesses have been made in places. Important corrections will be made after we return from our Cadre Campout at Mt. Bachelor.
God help us all.
Er, we mean, SOLIDARITY
[Conser]Anything else? Um executive director's report...do we have one a email version? At this point?
I think we can strike that because the executive director is not going to be available until Sept 9th. Um, any replies to all please uh um remove ....address...
-is there uh, in respect of your discussion of budget mediation, since she's not here can we post post that?
-wait, she is here
-so are you not on medical leave?
-i am on medical leave. I'm here to uh comment on-
-point of clarification:
-I'm unclear on your status. Um glad to see you, ...as a board member I'm unclear what status you're in, because it's my understanding you're on medical leave. So I think we need to clarify just how to appropriately to proceed. um
-That would be fine
-First we probably need to deal with the the agenda, we're in the middle of trying to do that.
-I'm of the ----- executive director's report up since(?) Lynn is here and I'm guessing she wants' to get out of here as soon as possible. [laughter]
- I am here to provide testimony, as the board didn't want to do this in closed secession on agenda item number 12. And I am also here to discuss the item...sorry , I didn't have the time to print out my agenda, uh, discussion of finances and development that mark(?) brought up.
-Point of clarification: I thinks this is a little, I guess I'm a little confused...because either board has to first establish an agenda, and once the board establishes agenda, we can look to whatever's on there(?). How we can do anything else. I guess I'm I'm feeling for us to make one decision at a time.
Okay, what's the um...
-my proposal is to ---executive director's report--indistinct[speak up damn it!]-she didn't want to stay here til the end
-yeah, this is going to be fun to document. I'll let you guys know ahead of time--
So you made a motion
I don't know that anybody's seconded it...
-I will second that.
Okay, move to the uh, item number 19 where?
After 11? before 11?
Okay. So between 10 and 11. Any discussion on the motion?
-Could you repeat the motions please?
The motion is to move item 19 to between item's 10 and 11.
-Guess I would speak in favor of the motion as long as we're moving a conversation. I would also appeal there's a lot of really important business and I think I want to challenged my fellow board members to be disciplined , and to not be going over things that, things that need to be repeated. Um, cuz we've got a lot of work to do...
Um okay so, so uh, further..
-There's a motion on the floor [indistinct]
All in favor of moving item 19 to between item 10 and 12 . Okay, one two three...four five in favor?
-Everybody hands up in favor
One two three four five...are you voting? One two three four--I only see five. Michael do you have your hand up? No. I see five. All opposed? one, two, three, okay, um, abstentions?
okay, one abstention , okay um, ah, motion failed. So um item, number 2 stays where it is.
-You mean Item 6
Yeah 6. Okay, so uh, further business on the agenda.
-I have ta, I'm sorry, I have ta ask....as much as I don't like, I have to ask for some clarification. Respecting what is involved with --medial leave of absence. We as -something- a member we cannot participate as a staff person because of medical leave of absence. Precludes that. And As much as I'd really like to hear what Lynn has to say, we can't as person decide which part of corporation...[indistinct] respectful of the original request. As such I'd like to bring this up somehow[indistinct] mainly that those issues can be uh deferred until she is off medical leave ....
Okay my understanding is that we do not have as far as we know an attorney at the meeting , um but we do have some people who are [something] in policy, and the , from the bounced message I got today, My understanding is that medical has begun, (?)today today. Uh, and that Mark's, uh, Mark's proposal is is valid , that anyone who is a member (?) can public comment, but not meeting proper, am I am I uh, gotten the policy correct?
-Not a motion. A clarification. yes. I think without a doctor's release , it's not appropriate to be engaging in an employer/employee situation. I'm very sympathetic to her situation. Would like to hear ...but we really need to be clean?) and appropriate, um, for the sake of[indistinct]
[Cross talk. Indistinct]
-The board can invite somebody in as a expert(?) witness.[Indistinct]
-Point of information on this!
-The suggestion is that ..
-Just really briefly! You can , you can suspend the rules for the purpose of allowing this person to do what they need to do, and then go back to the rules! You don't need to make it hard.
- We're not "Roberts Rules"
-On feluma(?) employer/employee relationship. It's really more of legal status.
-I heard her say she came to comment,
Okay, um, the,
-So Lynn did you come to just comment? Or...
-Um, in the previous communications with the board I have repeatedly said that item 12 is not clear, don't have all the information, There are things about that that should not be spoken about in open public comment, and i have all the documents that regards that particular issue, and that iff the board acts without this and wants to act without it , happy to put it into my brief case and leave. as for the agenda Item that has to do with fundraising , financial..without Paula here , I believe it's withing the foundation's best interests to have your development director here. I saw that on the agenda , I thought I should make comment. If you don't want that comment now and you'd like to hear that at the Sept board meeting, happy to do that.
-Can you repeat the point you made though. the original...
-[indistinct] Opposed to here what Lynn wishes to say to us. I do not believe there's a legal standing for it.
-My response to that is that's a separate issues, Michael. Take one issue at a time. I'm trying to clarify the legal situation we're in. We're in a delicate situation, and I think it would be inappropriate and wrong for us to proceed with you as an employ in medical leave, yet engage you as an employee. So I'm asking you to clarify" are you here as a member to comment at random? or are you hear as the station navigator? Which if you are I need to share that I think it's completely inappropriate and we need to disengage.
-Historically the board will engage testimony from the public. Again, I am happy to leave, It was not my intention to be here. I feel extremely strongly about the board making decisions and not being adequately informed.
-I would like to apologized for the awkwardness of this, but it's inappropriate for us to participate in an employer/employee conversation. I would look forward to having that very important information in the appropriate forum . Without a doctor's release this is inappropriate.
-I would make a motion to table Item number 12 until Lynn returns to active work
Okay motions on the table
-Point of clarification , first we need to establish what we're doing before we --into other business.. in my opinion
-So, I would like to make a motion that we are not engaging in a conversation with Lynn as an employee ..
Okay, motion is suspended for the moment , for point of clarification, but will be addressed.. Okay so
-Point of clarification, are we clarifying the employer/employee relationship right now and it's my understanding since the medical leave began today that we as a board could be liable if we engage the executive director as an employee from now until Sept 9th. That is my understanding.
-Or until we have a medical release so we can have an appropriate conversation. That will be welcomed.
So uh with with that in mind, I want to get a sense of the room , uh, is is is there further discussion on this issue? Is there anything in the bylaws or ORS that contradict what Tim says?
-Is there no reason why we can't get this super secret documents in some other way? Do the super secret documents have to go a super secret place? I mean the problem with this issue is that the board president is being dragged through the mud(Becky Chiao anyone?), all kinds of ways, but because so much of this case is about executive session, he can't even really defend himself. I mean, he's caught in a perfect catch 22, That's the problem with this case. So if there's documents about it, I like them to be filed with someone...though now I understand he would be able to do that, until Sept 9th.
-We can't even have this conversation.
-the board can explore other alternatives. But right now we probably need to clarify what we're doing at this moment.
-Okay...Super secret documents ...
Okay so my um understanding is that we are, we are not able...yes robbie?
-I'm wondering uh, I'm wondering if we have one member of the executive session who doesn't have a conflict of interest in this matter..Matthew? I'm wondering if Matthew would be able to present these documents if we need to go into closed session to be able to discuss and shed light on this.
-Again, a point of clarification: could we establish the issue of point
-And then we can go into all the other tangents, but right now let's not lose our focus . We need to define our relation ship in the moment. Please stay on point.
Everyone at this table aside from Lynn in an employer of the[indistinct] so even Matthew would not be in a position to engage her as I understand
-That is my understanding , that's exactly right, but i think right now the motion of the floor is just be clear and deliberative about our relationship right now. Respect the medical leave and the boundaries, so we have a healthy process that further complicates it
Okay, uh I think our stance has been clarified. So um with that in mind , we do need a doctor's order, in order to legitimately interact as employees with Lynn . At this moment. Now uh, can we go back to Rabia's motion?
- I had to clarify we can't engage with her while she's on medical leave...
My first motion was to table this item until Lynn returns from ---
We're still in agenda at this point. We made a clarification, now we're back to agenda Items. So what's on the table is to table Item 12 til a later meeting. Is there a second on that?
-No actually we were back to records for mediation...?We were considering doing?
Uh we we we , those got put back on , they can be taken off again --Active motion: Is Rabia's on the table. Is there a second for Rabia's motion to move item 12 ? Any second for moving item twelve? Or tabling item 12 Until a later meeting? [Silence]
Okay, motion fails for lack of second.